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Posted about 1 year ago From an e-mail that was floating around.... I think I will likely vote this way! I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE. HERE IS MY PLATFORM: (1) Press 1 for English is immediately banned. English is the official language; speak it or wait at the border until you can. (2) We will immediately go into a two year isolationist posture to straighten out the country's attitude. NO imports, no exports. We will use the 'Walmart' policy, 'If we ain't got it, you don't need it.' (3) When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import tax on it. (4) All retired military personnel will be required to man one of our many observation towers on the southern border. (six month tour) They will be under strict orders not to fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens. (5) Social security will immediately return to its original state. If you didn't put nuttin in, you ain't gettin nuttin out. The president nor any other politician will not be able to touch it. (6) Welfare - Checks will be handed out on Fridays at the end of the 40 hour school week and the successful completion of urinalysis and a passing grade. (7) Professional Athletes --Steroids - The FIRST time you check positive you're banned for life. (8) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the first time you steal, you lose your right hand. There is no more life sentences. If convicted, you will be put to death by the same method you chose for your victim; gun, knife, strangulation, etc. (9) One export will be allowed; Wheat, The world needs to eat. A bushel of wheat will be the exact price of a barrel of oil. (10) All foreign aid using American taxpayer money will immediately cease, and the saved money will pay off the national debt and ultimately lower taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we'll ask the American people if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can make the decision whether it's a worthy cause. (11) The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at school and every day in Congress. (12) The National Anthem will be played at all appropriate ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc. Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes but a vote for me will get you better than what you have, and better than what you're gonna get. Thanks for listening, and remember to write in my name on the ballot in November. God Bless America !!!!!!!!!!! Bill Cosby |
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| Posted about 1 year ago This platform has my support! |
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| Posted about 1 year ago My government teacher just read this to us this morning. Bill Cosby is the greatest. Don't worry about the world ending today, for it is already tomorrow in Australia. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago I'd vote for Jonathon 'The Impaler' Sharkey. After all, aren't most politicians Vampires? |
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| Posted about 1 year ago Heck yeah!!! I think that would work....... |
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| Posted about 1 year ago I can appreciate the feeling that things need to change for real and in the past they haven't changed as they should but the choices are Dummycrat or Republican. That's the reality of the matter.
Choose the lesser of two evils.
A vote for anyone else is a vote for the possibility that a disgusting "Anti-American" and his Anti-American wife would be somehow actually voted into office.
A vote is not only a right... it is a DUTY to try to help your country.
If you want to protest you need to find a better venue for it because no one hears or sees your opinions or ideas in a ballot you throw away.
The best thing you can do is vote for one of the real choices available and I choose to vote for the possibility that a particular candidate will actually do something for my country.
I'm not stupid enough to think my country would particularly do anything for just me as I'm one in how many millions??? But... I know that it will get down to me too when something good happenes to our country.
I spent about ten months in the last year or so living in Russia and I learned a hell of a lot there. Some good and some not good.
I came back home to America with a new and increased appreciation for my country and the freedoms and liberties we take for granted and so many outright mock while they enjoy the freedoms they are mocking.
One of the first things I saw when I got back to the US was some bimbo on television saying for the first time in her adult life she is not ashamed of her country. I was wondering who the hell is this???? They said it was the wife of someone running for President of the United States. I was thinking... WHAT?????? How the hell can someone so anti-American be running for President and how can so many Americans be supporting such an openly Anti-American to be there in our Whitehouse?
I swore an oath to protect this country and I stand by that oath to this day. It wasn't just during my almost ten years of service in our military. I took an oath to protect our nation from enemies externally or internally and it is as valid for me today as it was back then.
I'm a fiercely proud Independent who votes for the person I believe can do the job and my vote for the person I believe can do it is a vote against the person I believe can't do it.
This is a vote. Vote for something or you're voting against it. Your choices are vote for Republicans... who it seems want the people of America to succeed and prosper so we can all prosper or you can vote for an Anti-American Dummycrat who only wants power so he can do against America.
I was born into a staunch Dummycrat family and my father was so angry when he learned I was voting to support a Republican but I told him basically the same thing another Dummycrat Professor has said in his article, "Democrats do Poland", by David Green.... Where he too says... Why are the Democratic heirarchy only giving us such morons to vote for? Give us someone much better that we can actually support.
If the Dummycrats want my vote... Give me someone worth voting for and stop sending criminals up to be voted on.
I'm not a good little communist who will vote the party line as I'm told to do by the communistic Democratic party who thinks they can order us to vote for the trash they put forward. I'm not a mindless little minion who just votes for the person I'm told to vote for.
I'm an independent who feels forced by the radical Dummycrats to vote for Republicans. Give me someone worth voting for and I'll vote for them. Stop sending trash up to be voted for in the Dummycrat party. Dummycrats seem to think this is just a football game they need to win at all costs. It's NOT a game. It's our lives and our future. It's our civilization and our way of life.
I'm a man who wants my country to grow and succeed and I'm voting for the only candidate on the ticket who wants to lead America toward this goal. John McCain is the only reasonable choice we have to vote for and he has my support 1,000 percent.
I do not want a radical shady lawyer in office who has ties to extremists and his best friend is a known American terrorist who still says they should have done more even though their bombings did kill people. I don't want a President who takes the flag out of our Country as this moron Nobama is trying to do. I don't want a President who is apologizing to the Arabs and other countries, (who are not our allies), for America's policies to help others and defend ourselves.
I want a President who will continue to defend our nation and our way of life so we can keep ou freedoms everyone enjoys here... including all the morons who want to only mock them while enjoying the comforts and protections of them.
It's very clear... either you vote for something (The best choice available = John McCain) or you vote against the best choice and vote for literally Anarchy (in the case of this white and American hating Nobama).
I'm white, I'm proud. I served for my country... all colors, races, ethnic groups and all freedoms and I won't give up and throw it all away now.
We need to embrace our differences and celebrate things like our traditions and customs and heritage we share and we should come together to vote for the best possible choice we have available.
The ballot doesn't have a place on it for "PROTEST" No one understands or accepts that you throw your vote away. Voting for a choice other then the two viable possibilities is a vote against our country because no other vote is going to win.
If you want to bitch and piss and moan... do it in a better forum. The ballot is not the place for morons to think they are showing anyone anything except their STUPIDITY.
Vote for your country or vote against your country. John McCain who has proven he's for our country or Nobama who has proven he's against our country.
Even in his short tenure in the Senate... Nobama is the number two Senator in receiving money from the failed and failing banking systems causing our financial crisis we're in today. He helped cause it.
Also note... It wasn't Bush who signed the law for the banking industry... It was Clinton who signed it into law.
Here's a video showing long ago the Dummycrats trying to cover up and hide it so the damage would continue until it came to the crisis we have today. You can see the Dummycrats in their own words how they worked so hard to prevent anything from being done years ago to prevent this crisis we're now in. You don't have to take my word for it. Look and see for yourself....
http://www.teleprompterpresident.com/2008/09/shocking-video.html
My vote is for McCain and I hope to God enough people will see the light to vote for him too. He is our only reasonable choice and a vote for anyone or anything else is a vote against our country.
There are so many videos you can see where Nobama hasn't got a clue about what he's talking about like visiting 57 states so far and only 1 more to go. That one more to go being Hawaii and Alaska. He's openly telling everyone he wants to raise taxes on everyone. He claims not on 90 percent of the people but when you tax companies you get it passed on to you in higher prices so they can afford to pay the taxes. So higher taxes is the worst thing you can do in our economy. We're down enough. Let's work to get our heads back up above water. This crisis could have been avoided if the Dummycrats hadn't worked so hard to prevent us from doing anything years ago and this crisis doesn't only affect us in America... it affects the global economy we live in.
The majority of business in this country is "SMALL BUSINESS", not huge corporations. Nobama wants to tax businesses and this includes our small businesses who are struggling just to survive the tax burdens they already have. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago Ouch! I stand corrected. Your point is very well made. With all the years I have spent abroad.... I'm chagrinned that I would make light of a very serious and sad situation. I'm not sure that most of the U.S. (or perhaps it should read "I'm not sure most of "US"") know the depth of the situation that we face with this election. I spent several years living in the Middle East & North Africa during some of the worse times. I feel that this is what we can expect with Obama as our leader. While I’m sorely disappointed in McCain’s stance it is far better than anything that Obama offers. I feel that most of what Obama says is not truthful is full of deceit. You are correct it is our duty to vote and not waste that vote writing in a name or protesting to no avail. Perhaps the next election there will be a canidate that will stand for what was represented in the e-mail above.
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| Posted about 1 year ago It was entertaining to read a comedian's view on the election, but I am sure he really didn't mean for us to throw our votes away by writing in his name for President. I am also sure he is aware that being President involves a lot more than the "rules" above. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago Sure, the job involves a lot more than that, but getting this much done would be half the battle already. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago One of my Brit friends sent me this -
We cannot figure out why you are even bothering to hold an election in the US.
I have seen the list attributed to Bill Cosby before and I still like it.
When it comes to voting, I almost think there should be a test before you are allowed to vote.
Scott
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| Posted about 1 year ago There should be a test before you are allowed to run for office, and it should include the use of sodium pentathol!
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| Posted about 1 year ago Bill Crosby's tax return came up under a Capital Gain audit that I did for the IRS. I was managing the audit. I had about 30 tax examiners that were working for me. All were African American or Hispanic. The team sent Bill Crosby's return back to files before I could review it. There position was that they would not allow a rich black man to be assessed additional tax when a rich white man could get away with anything. I did not challenge my team on this. I insisted that it not be done again. I believe that you can measure a man on the content of his character. I like Bill Crosby and his ideas are great. We are going to see many write in votes during this election and that is a good thing. So write him in if you want to be heard. I do not want to be heard. I want to help solve the problem. I would love to vote for Obama but I can't. John McCain is not George Bush. It is an insult to our intelligence to say these two men are the same. Bush is a draft dodger. McCain is a war hero. If you saw the first debate then you saw McCain anxiousness and Obama calm. Obama was calm because he had no idea what was happening to our economy. Mc Cain knew what was happening. He was nervous about what was going to happen and what is still going to happen.
This bail out approved on Friday is not going to help. Corporate America is going down because it invested big dollars into ERP software that is not working and is not providing the ROI that it needs to be profitable. IT professionals can solve our country's problems. It professionals are the solution not who is President. I am voting for age and expereince. I am voting for John Mc Cain. It takes years to be a strong IT professional. I want those same years in my President. In this situation, not in every situation, experience matters. "Try Not. Do. Or do not. There is no try." Jedi Master Yodi. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago Here's my thoughts... 1. If I thought writing in Bill Cosby had a snowball's chance in Hell of getting him elected, I'd do it in a heartbeat! 2. There ISN"T a snowballs chance in Hell that I'd ever vote for McCain! His voting record PROVES he's Bush's man to the bone. Nor do I want that two-faced, back-stabbing, lying, neo-facist bitch anywhere near the White House - let alone a singel heartbeat away from the Big Chair. 3. Spare me the "war hero" crap. McCain spent the vast majority of his time in the Hanoi Hilton - that makes him and ex-POW, not a hero. My uncle was another guest of the Hanoi Hilton, and - as a Navy Seal - was responsible for the deaths of far more Viet Cong than McCain - do they call him a hero? Nope... just an ex-POW. So spare me the media-mind-wipe - its insulting to my intelligence and to all those ex-POW's like my Uncle Larry who came home to face shame and rejection, not fame and media hype. 4. No, I'm not thrilled with Obama either. It doesn't comfort me to be faced with a candidate who's voting record only proves that he was "PRESENT" - it's a vote, Barrack, not a friggin' roll-call! Nor am I pleased with someone who can't give me a straight answer to simple questions about how they intend to accomplish their campaign promises. I didn't tune-in to listen to a wanna-be revivalist preacher - I tuned in because I had the silly notion in my head that you might actually cut the crap and talk straight.... but then we're talking about politicians, here, aren't we. Silly me! 5. Ever since the creation of the Electoral College, the "one-man-one-vote" core of real Democracy has been dead in this country. Your vote hasn't meant shit since FDR instituted the E.C. during WW2, and any illusions our nation had about being a Democracy died the same day. We are NOT a Democratic nation, folks - we are a Republic. We vote for surrogates who then elect - according to their preference, not ours - our national leadership. If you have any doubt that the "Popular Vote" is dead, look back at the last two elections. The only way that Bush beat Gore was by his brother forcing the Florida Supreme Court to hand him the state, and then the U.S. Supreme Court handed him the White House. 6. There was an earlier post - and I apologize for forgetting whose it was - saying that if the "Dummycrats" gave him a viable candidate he'd vote for them. You already had that chance - but it would appear that you swallowed the media-mind-wipe on that one too. The only viable candidate in this entire election cycle for the Presidency - irregardless of Party affiliation - was Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately it is a fact that this country is still a hipocrytical, sexist nation that would sooner see a Black man with no credentials in the White House than it would a woman of any color - regardless of qualifications. We are still a society that firmly believes that testicles - not tits - are the prime qualification for the job. Doubt me? Ask any of the Ladies here... 7. Spare me the flag-waving, the war-rhetoric, and the terrorism propaganda! September 11 is the second day that will live out American History in black infamy - you will get no argument out of me on that score. You WILL, however, have a fight on your hands if you try to tell me that the course of retaliation Bush and Cheney shoved down our throats was ever the right one, or that it's ever been effective. The WMDs were a lie - Bush even admitted it! - it's also been proven that there was no Iraqi involvement in the horrors of 9/11, so what-the-hell are we doing there?! BinLaden is a Saudi - where are our troops? No - we're stuck with a new Vietnam, and the consequences will make the old one nearly frivolous. We do nothing more than build a reservoir of hate that will bite us in the ass for decades yet to come. 8. Along with the Popular Vote, you can kiss the majority of the Bill of Rights goodbye as well. The Constitution ceased to be the foundation of this country the instant Bush and Cheney managed to saddle us with their version of the Ghestappo - a.k.a. "Homeland Security" - and instituted lesse majeste as the law of the land. Our Right to Privacy, and Freedom of Speach died that day. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if some HS agent were at my door 15 minutes after I post this. In that vein, I would remind all of you of the words of two very wise gentlemen who were directly responsible for the formation of this nation... "No man's life, liberty or property are safe while Congress is in session..." - Thomas Jefferson "Any nation that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security deserves neither, and will lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
Who would I vote for? I'm still waiting for the day we become a TRUE Democracy, so I can vote for "None of the above." Until then, I'll have to wait until I'm in the booth, and then cast my vote for the one who make me the least nauseus. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago
Slburky,
You explained your dislike for McCain, but what about Palin? Why hate her so much?
I for one can think of many reasons not to vote for Obama or Hillary for that matter. I agree that there are some out that use sex or race as a determining factor for their vote for or against. I know of a few that would have voted for Hillary just because she was a woman and Obama just because he is black.
I must say that I am confused by your choice to quote Jefferson and Franklin since you have so much love for Hillary. You do realize that she is basically a Socialist?
We both at least agree that the Electoral College is a big mistake.
Scott
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| Posted about 1 year ago scastle says ...
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| Posted about 1 year ago Alright, somebody in the IT department get to work on the text editor for the blogs! This is the second time it's messed up the format. Only my responses to Scott's comments are supposed to be italicized, not the whole damned post! What?, do I have to drag out my oh-so-rusty HTML skills? C'mon! That's it! I'm officially whiney... it's time for bed. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago
Since I define myself as a “NeoCon” I will have to disagree with most of what you said. Concerning Palin, let me ask you a question. Do you have kids? If you do what “family values” do you espouse? If you have kids then you will probably know that kids rarely do what they are told and there is always some rebellion. Her daughter will have to deal with the consequences of her actions. I think it says something that she did not have an abortion (which I oppose). Are there any other “family values” that you have issue with? What “religious quack” are you referring too? Does he preach bigotry from his pulpit like Obama’s? I wonder if she has distanced herself from him after sitting in his church Sunday after Sunday. I will be anxious to see what happens concerning her ex-brother in law. He was accused of using his police issue Taser on his son. I wonder how that investigation tuned out as well.
Just to touch on the same-sex marriage issue; I have less of a problem with” civil unions” than I do with redefining marriage. Civil Unions are ordained by the “State” and I see no legal reason to deny the gay community their right there. Most married couples that I know of are unhappy to say the least. I don’t know why you would push for that. This next question will be the one that will make you mad. Why should sexual preference be considered in the same vain as race? What other “Groups” are we discriminating against?
I will stop there.
Hillary Clinton’s views being Socialistic began way before her health care plan.
I think the crux of our disagreement (concerning politics) is what we expect the Federal Government to do for us. Take taxes for starters. The gov should have no right to know how much I make, spend fed funds on Planed Parenthood or anything similar, keep felons in comfort and educate them, supplement the arts or reward those that can work but choose not to. If you take that % right off the top of my tax bill I would have a lot less to complain about. It amazes me that we can go from three branches of government that are well defined and turn them into an ever growing fungus regardless of what “party” is in control of any branch. If you want real healthcare reform look in two areas – FDA and Insurance. Reform them and you will lower cost dramatically. If people were not paying for all the prior mentioned crap, then they would be able to pay for healthcare. The biggest reason for not letting the federal Government get their hands on healthcare should be obvious; unless you think they run everything else under their control really well.
Personal opinion – America was founded on wonderful but faulty Ideals. Once you take personal responsibility out of the equation, you get what we have today. It is only going to get worse.
Scott
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| Posted about 1 year ago I will leave the issue of this farce we're calling a presidential election behind - you and I could argue our points until hell freezes over, and neither of us would give an inch. Nor would it resolve anything. Though it did make me smile a bit to see you define your political views as neo-conservative. Not that I found it amusing, but that it might surprise you to find how much we may have in common. If anything I would define myself politically as a cynic - I couldn't agree more with Samuel Clemens, "Politics is the last refuge of the incompetent."
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| Posted about 1 year ago
Slburkley,
I am sorry for your loss. I do not doubt your love and devotion for your children or spouse one bit. I think the treatment of Danny and your “family” is abhorrent in the most extreme sense of the word. I cannot imagine a reason that I would disown either of my children much less abuse them.
Here we may differ.
Marriage is a “religious” institution and is defined as one man and one woman. I do not believe that it is right or even within our power to change the definition. I believe that “God” ordained it and he is the only one that could change it. I do believe that you as an American Citizen should have the right to the same legal penalties and privileges that all married couples have under the Constitution. This is something we can do and does not change “Marriage”.
I want to make sure that I clarify my stance here. Because I believe that God ordained Marriage I think it should be treated as sacred. I also believe that Homosexuality is against God’s law. I believe that Homosexuality is no greater a sin than lying, lust, stealing or any other sin for which I am just as guilty of. I also believe that God gave us free will. I cannot and will not attempt to try to force my “Religious” views on you. I still believe that Marriage should be protected (don’t get me started on Divorce). If it can be redefined for one it can be redefined for any.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.”
I find it perplexing that we still hold to that when most of us do not believe in a creator and assume that equal means in all aspects. All people and ideals are not equal. We as a society need to decide what is acceptable and what is not. This statement points to one of the fatal flaws of or founding documents and our Republic.
I still wish you the best.
Scott
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| Posted about 1 year ago My recent post to another blog format...
When John McCain put the entire country first (once again) when the financial crisis {caused by Nobama and the Democrats and their pet campaign money raisers... Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac} and John McCain left the campaign trail to try to work for us the people in Washington he was so ridiculed by Nobama and the far left and they made false claims he said he wouldn't leave Washington until it was over... When what he said was he was returning to Washington to work for the people because of the crisis that came and it was more important to him than his campaign.
John McCain put all of us first before himself once again... Dummycrats, independents, Republicans and everyone else and all the moronic left could do was ridicule him for it.
Now Nobama is leaving his campaign to see his grandma that he has said he doesn't even like because she's WHITE and he wished he could take her white blood out of him... Now he's using her as a stage prop for a photo op to make people think he really cares about her after all he's said about her white blood in him and no one on the moronic left is saying a word about it.
Compare.... John left his campaign for us... The entire nation... and Nobama is leaving his campaign for a photo op.
It's worse than disgusting to me and should be disgusting to everyone else too.
Look at the HYPOCRASY and see it for what it truly is.
I wish the best for Nobama's grandmother and I pray for her and hope God will help to heal her wounds from her Anti-American and Anti-white grandson Nobama.
I know god will make Nobama pay for his treachery and his lies, but we need to take control and vote for John McCain and Sarah Palin so we're not saddled with this disgusting excuse of humanity.
Nobama and the Dummycrats with the help of two Dummycrat presidents.... Carter and Clinton signing the CRA bill and the insane change Clinton signed into law in 1996 that was the final blow to slam the banks and force them to give loans to people who couldn't qualify for them and couldn't afford to pay them back.
That was the actions that caused the financial crisis we're now in.
Bush tried to warn us in 2002. McCain and Republicans tried to warn us again in 2005 and tried to get legislation to put effective regulations in to control the democrats political fund raising machines (Freddie and Fannie) so we could avert the current crisis but the Dummycrats fought tooth and nail to hide the activities and to keep milking the GSE's for more political donations as long as they could before the financial crisis finally hit us now in 2008.
Nobama and the Dummycrats are now once again lying their asses off and blaming Bush, McCain and the Republicans for the financial crisis that they (Dummycrats) have caused.
Now we are all paying for the Dummycrats cash cows now that they have finally failed because of their insane policies of giving loans to people who couldn't afford them have come back to haunt us all.
Stop the HYPOCRASY and paste the blame exactly where it belongs on Nobama and the Dummycrats.
Do not let them get away with what they've done and what they are now falsely accusing others of doing.
Make McCain promise to investigate and punish every one who was involved in pushing to keep the scam going.
I'm an INDEPENDENT who is hoping McCain and the Republicans can save us from the Dummycrats.
It's no wonder that so many former Democrats have fled the new Dummycrat ranks as I have to seek more realistic values. We don't want the radical extremes of the new radical Dummycrat party.
We as former Democrats know and believe the current Dummycrat party should be banned and outlawed in this country for all they have done TO us when they should have been working FOR us. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago Wow, Scastle, you appear to contradict yourself. First you say that "America was founded on wonderful but faulty Ideals..." and in the next post you use those allegedly faulty ideas (DoI) “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness” to substantiate your claims. I have to strongly disagree with your first opinion (about founding ideas being faulty). Those ideas were perfect for the government of moral people who adhered to a worldview based on the Bible. Today, the people in general (including the political party you support)are no longer moral and therein lies the problem. We traded statesmen, people like Jefferson, Adams (both of them), Dave Crockett, Andrew Jackson, etc., for politicians like Wilson, Hoover, both Roosevelts, Eisenhower, and then for poly-ticks (poly meaning many, ticks meaning bloodsucking parasites) like the vast majority of members of the contemporary Republican and Democratic parties. Now as far as your use of Declaration of Independence to back up your claim, well, you just can't do it because GOP does not adhere to the DoI anymore (and I have serious doubts it ever did other than in lip service designed to lure the most gullible of conservatives). Take the first issue - LIFE. Your candidate of choice, McCain, wants to force us to fund the killing of living human embryos by means of experimenting on them for the purpose of advancing our medical science. We gave a death penalty to Nazis for doing the same thing to human beings but now are condoning it. GOP, when it had the majority of both houses of the legislative branch and the command of the executive (2002-2006) did absolutely nothing to stop the destruction of the youngest and the oldest of us; those who are least likely to be capable of defending themselves or even articulating the protests. But I suppose that phases you not. Second issue - LIBERTY. Key word: PATRIOT ACT (both of them). That's what your party of choice thinks about our liberty. And the McCain individually, well, he, along with his Democrat buddies, devised the "Campaign Finance Reform," designed, essentially, to silence groups of patriots who want to sound off about the more questionable of the politicians less than 30 days before an election, when ads are most effective and people begin to pay attention to them in earnest. So much for his stance in regards to liberty. Third issue - PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Originally applied mostly to the concept of sanctity of property (see the original founding documents for the Commonwealth of Virginia, for example). The government uses Eminent Domain to take property from rightful owners essentially displacing them in order to give it to their business buddies because it will create a larger tax base for them and a lifelong campaign donor...I respectfully rest my case, Sir. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago "killing of living human embryos" Stem cell research no longer requires the use of embryos human or any other animal, please try to keep up with advancements in technology and research. "But I suppose that phases you not."--- This was not addressed to me and perhaps I should stay out of it, But if people learned to use a condom we would not need alternate forms of population control, including but not limited to cigarettes. "Campaign Finance Reform,"--- All reform in the US is ongoing and constant, and it is not only obligated to campaign finances. "PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS"------Your happiness is intertwined with your outlook on life. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago Larkenra, "Stem cell research no longer requires the use of embryos human or any other animal, please try to keep up with advancements in technology and research." While the above statement is true, embryos are still getting killed for research in the US. Why don't you try to keep up with what's really going on in the real world rather than trying to educate me in reference to adult stem cells of which I am well aware and have no problem with? How's that for a little deal between you and I. "...if people learned to use a condom we would not need alternate forms of population control..." If people learned to control their urges we wouldn't even have a need for condoms, either. And we certainly wouldn't have to resort to Democrat-supported forms of population control (kill'em by abortion) or Republican-supported ones (send 'em to unconstitutional wars and let the other guys kill them for us). I agree with you wholeheartedly that if people took responsibility for their actions and thought the consequences through before acting, then we wouldn't have a problem. The thing is, though, neither of the two "major" parties cares about instilling individual responsibility in us, as responsible people have little need for nanny government. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago For wojek only-- "While the above statement is true, embryos are still getting killed for research in the US. Why don't you try to keep up with what's really going on in the real world rather than trying to educate me in reference to adult stem cells of which I am well aware and have no problem with?" If even part of it is true You only imply one bit of the agenda to make only you right which is why you are basically telling me to shut up in soo many words.But I am a fighter I refuse to give up my indipendence right or wrong, and would not want you to either. I don't make deals with strangers. I am sorry you disprove of me being objective and that I like to look at the whole picture and do not use just what I want to to get people to believe half truths to promote an agenda.
I disagree as long as there are people like you and me their will always be problems. "The thing is, though, neither of the two "major" parties cares about instilling individual responsibility in us, as responsible people have little need for nanny government." of coarse not how can you control people, and who will be the next president if you tell them they have individual identities, people love being told what to do and when they should do it Just like you here we can write what we want if we feel the need to educate another anyone of us will, is that not what you have been spouting off about. Honestly we cannot learn by me or you together and just because it is learned does not mean one has to believe, agree, aprove, accept, deny, ect. but I do enjoy having these discussions with you, keep em comin. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago Larkenra, "If even part of it is true You only imply one bit of the agenda to make only you right which is why you are basically telling me to shut up in soo many words.But I am a fighter I refuse to give up my indipendence right or wrong, and would not want you to either." If that's how you want to interpret it that's your prerogative. I could've made the same assupmtion when you said "Stem cell research no longer requires the use of embryos human or any other animal, please try to keep up with advancements in technology and research." but I didn't. Instead I decided to reply with a couterargument, which I think is more effective in a discussion than trying to ascribe maliciousness to one's interlocutor where there's none. "I am sorry you disapprove of me being objective and that I like to look at the whole picture and do not use just what I want to get people to believe half truths to promote an agenda." Look at it as you will, but I did look at the whole picture, which is what prompted me to point your fallacy out to you. If you think I am spreading "half-truths" then do point them out. Otherwise your response sounds like an ad-hominem rant rather than an honest attempt at a dialogue. "I disagree as long as there are people like you and me their will always be problems." Again, you ascribe to me negative attributes that are simply not there. Not sure if you're familiar with how discussions work, but in case that's not your forte, let me point out that, yes, ideas are, in fact, controversial in any serious debate, and that one does not generally win a debate by substituting ad-hominems for rational arguments. "Just like you here we can write what we want if we feel the need to educate another anyone of us will, is that not what you have been spouting off about. Honestly we cannot learn by me or you together and just because it is learned does not mean one has to believe, agree, aprove, accept, deny, ect. but I do enjoy having these discussions with you, keep em comin." If you don't think you can learn anything from further discussion, then, by all means, don't prolong it. I, on the other hand, firmly believe I can learn a whole lot by interacting with others, regardless of their ideological flavor, by means of free exchange of ideas. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago wojtek says ...
First off I am a more of a Libritarian than a Replublican, so McCain was not my “candidate of choice”. The quote “We hold these Truths…” was one to finish the quote started by Slburkley. It was not to support my claims. Read the next paragraph in that post.
Our “Founding Fathers” had great ideas. They were faulty because they were implemented and enforced by men. Keep in mind that this was before Relaitivism. Add Relaitivism+no personal responsibilty+no God and what do you get?
Concerning the issues that you mentioned - You are correct. Should I just not vote and say “there is not a candidate that that I agree with 100%”? Concerning Abortion, at least McCain didn’t say “it is above my pay-grade”. The Patriot Act – I do not have as much of an issue with. Most of its force is against non-citizens. I also think that you have to be an American Citizen before you get the benefits.
We may agree more than you think. I unlike our new “First Lady” am very proud of my country. I may not be proud of my government, but I am proud of my country.
Scott
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| Posted about 1 year ago "Add Relaitivism+no personal responsibilty+no God and what do you get? " I give up, what do you get? |
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| Posted about 1 year ago Larkenra says ...
The state of America as it currently is and a Socialist in the White House. Thats just a guess though. Scott
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| Posted about 1 year ago "The state of America as it currently is and a Socialist in the White House. " - scastle
You seem quite fond of tossing that word around - "Socialist" - and I've never seen you apply it to anyone other than a leading Democrat... it makes me wonder just what definition you put on that word. Its obvious to me that you use it in a perjorative sense, even as a means to dismiss those with whom you do not agree. I, personally, find much that is worth appreciation from a true Socialist perspective - and before anyone goes off half-cocked, no I am NOT refering to the mess the former U.S.S.R. branded as "socialism." That wasn't socialism. That was totalitarianism, crony-ism, and despotism all rolled up into an ugly hairball. There are elements of socialism I don't agree with, just as there are some from communism, monarchy, theocracy, democracy, facism or any other form of human government you care to list. But using the label of "socialist" to dismiss or demean someone whose opinions you do not agree with - in my personal opinion - does you no credit. Especially not with me, someone who has lived long enough and through enough to appreciate the damage the flaws and hypocrisies in our federalist system can and have caused. Nor does it stand well against the words of one of America's socialist leaders - Eugene V. Debs. "...Long ago I realized my kinship with all my brothers and sisters, and that none of us is any greater than the least of us. Then, as now, I believe that while one of us sleeps in the streets I am homeless. While one of us is battered or abused I suffer. And as long as one law stands against us I am not free..." Debs was ridiculed and belittled by his critics, persecuted by the "Establishment", and eventually forced into the role of an obscure footnote in American history. Yet others since him have used similar words, tactics and ideology and have been raised to the status of icons - Martin Luther King, Jr., or John F. Kennedy for example - and no one dares slap the label "socialist" on them without fear of heavy ridicule and shouts of "sacriledge!" I do not in any way equate Obama with either of those men - his value to this nation, and his place in history have a long road to go before they are established. But it still forces me to the question - just how do you define "socialist"? Scott |
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| Posted about 1 year ago Interesting points slburkey. And scastle aren't you a big proponent of Christianity and don't churches support a socialist objective by nature, or does that only apply to members of that church. Please, I am not trying to question your faith here. |





