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Obama's Tax Plan Raises High-Tech Hackles
Michael Liedtke / Associated Press
May 05, 2009
SAN FRANCISCO – President Barack Obama’s plan to impose U.S. taxes on corporate America’s overseas profits threatens to open a big crater in the financial statements of technology companies.
While additional taxes are rarely popular, Obama’s decision to go after corporate earnings outside the United States is a particularly prickly subject for technology executives because the industry has been steadily boosting its overseas sales amid rising demand for its gadgetry and services.
If Obama’s proposal becomes law, the hard-hit companies would include tech bellwethers like Hewlett-Packard Co., IBM Corp., Cisco Systems Inc., Microsoft Corp. and Google Inc. Each of those companies realized a benefit of more than $1 billion from lower foreign tax rates in their most recent fiscal years – an advantage that could lost if Obama is able to change the rules.
“It would be like an earthquake for high tech,” said Carl Guardino, chief executive of Silicon Valley Leadership Group, an industry trade association. “On a Richter scale of 1 to 10, this would be a 12.”
Collectively, HP, IBM, Cisco, Microsoft and Google lowered their tax bills by a combined $7.4 billion in their last fiscal years by taking advantage of lower tax rates outside the United States, according to an analysis by The Associated Press.
Through the years, these five tax companies have avoided U.S. income taxes and foreign withholding taxes on a combined $72 billion in undistributed earnings from their foreign operations.
While Obama’s proposal might not tax all the money U.S. companies keep overseas, it apparently would target a big chunk. Obama estimated his plan would raise a total of $210 billion, or an average of about $21 billion annually, over a 10-year period.
By reinvesting their earnings overseas, U.S. companies insulate themselves from much higher tax rates had the money been made in their home country.
Google, for instance, would have been hit with an effective tax rate of 45.2 percent instead of 27.8 percent last year if it hadn’t been able to capitalize on lower rates overseas, according to the Mountain View-based company’s annual report. Without the lower foreign rates, Google’s 2008 tax bill would have been $1.02 billion higher. Google’s income before taxes totaled $5.85 billion last year.
Obama has been strongly supported so far by Google CEO Eric Schmidt, who campaigned for the president last year and has subsequently served as a technology adviser.
fltech
4 months ago
10 comments
Hmm not really an Obama fan, but if it means less foreign workers and that companies who invest in American workers do better, then I am for it. Rather than bailout the companies who use all the foreign IT workers, why not reward those who keep their workers here with tax rewards. We as American workers have been quiet too long.
tom_herschede
4 months ago
12 comments
oh wait here's an idea to create American jobs: do this while lowering the tax on corporate earnings for earnings made in the US. Excellent way to make companies want to come back and u know... actually MAKE jobs
Shawn263
4 months ago
76 comments
Good job Obama! Well, i'm sure there are alot of loopholes and you would think the Tech industry would look out for its own...I mean after all, we are trying to learn the technology to keep a thriving IT workforce, wasn't that one of the goals from the begining?
Ur_VA_IT_Guy
4 months ago
32 comments
At first I misread this article (and some of the comments with it) thinking this was about more outsourcing and thus more American's losing jobs to other countries. I see now this is more about playing in the global economy and avoiding taxes via various loopholes (something that corporations have been doing for a long time). Go Obama! I can just hear the republicans now, seething about this being another "socialist" tax on corporate America. You know what? It's about time! We as a nation are turning into Czarist Russia. We're going to end up with a small percentage of very wealthy people and a huge percentage of people who are just about broke.
PureEvil
4 months ago
196 comments
way to go obama tax them to near death.
mimmerso
4 months ago
4 comments
wow, for once i actually am happy with something our President is doing !
I say ---Tax 'em high for bringing work overseas !! Give them incentive to bring the work back home !! We need to work here - so, good, let's stop making it easy for the money hungry money making machines - to give 'our work' away.
kwickenb
4 months ago
28 comments
It's about time something was done about the taxation of greedy corporations who make most of their profits by off shoring of IT talent to foreign operations laying off the on shore talent and not paying taxes on profits earned off shore. Another issue is the trillions of dollars sitting off shore that are being untaxed. There has to be some incentive to repatriate these dollars. If BO would allow them to repatriate the dollars and put them to work creating American Tech Jobs on shore for US citizens only, then that would certainly help alleviate this economic mess that George Bush created during his administration.
edking49
6 months ago
2 comments
Tax corporate America? Sure! I worked for Goodyear Tire and Rubber for 14 years but during that time they had slowly moved production overseas, Mexico/China. Now that these plants are running they have closed four (4) U.S. plants, approximately 10,00 jobs gone, not including the impact on the local economy. I lost a 60,000 plus a year job so they can pay someone 1500 a year but the tires are still being sold here. Take the money and do some good! One point though, they haven't spend fund wisely yet, what makes us thing they would start with a new tax.
rjw6844
6 months ago
2 comments
So far the current administration has quadrupled the deficit and there are no new jobs created. What did we vote for? Change? When? Guess what - the stimulus bill, which the democrat controlled congress pushed through with no republican support, won't take effect until 2010 - when mid term elections occur. Coincidence? By then unemployment will hit double digits, inflation will soar and we will have a replay of the Jimmy Carter years. Look up the "Misery Index" in wikipedia. I wasn't a huge Bush fan but he had one of the lowest indexes since they started the index.
A job in India on a help desk might not look too bad.
snvz
6 months ago
2 comments
Chinese "Red Army" is supported by Microsoft's tax money. Chinese government has increased military spending by 25%. While our military has to face cuts - ask mothers of those killed in Iraq.
Guess, what is going to happen in the case of a military conflict? Who will protect your family? Bill Gates?
voxzephyri
6 months ago
2 comments
"I think Archenstone had a very valid point actually. So do you, David. It's tough because the successful corporations are sort of the only ones that are working right now, by definition, and because of that it appears unfair to tax them to fix the economy. However, with a variable tax rate like the ones we have, it is also unfair that corporations have ways out whereas the people, who have much less capital accumulated have to pay upwards of 30% on their income. I earn 39k and lost almost all of it to taxes and bills. How many of us earn 40,000 and never live to see that bank account go up? I myself have about 2300 in the bank. That is how brutal it is to the middle class in this nation.
Just keep in mind we have to dig a way out before we can start climbing. Inaction during a downturn is just going to encourage a depression. It has happened before, and will happen again.
Shame someone already built all the highways ;)
Also, sucks being in IT and having it be targeted, since company overhead and extra costs, esp a tax hike, will just encourage job cuts. IBM already lost 5000 this year, I'm just lucky to be in an unaffected sector (field tech).
davidjohnsen
6 months ago
132 comments
In this recession economy, this would be the first time in history that a sitting President is raising taxes during such a huge economic downturn. Why raise taxes on anyone? Don't you realize these "big corporations" are the same ones creating the jobs and helping families feed their children? Get away from politics and get down to reality. No more TAXES!!! Please.
davidjohnsen
6 months ago
132 comments
recon69 is a moron. Get the facts pal.
recon69
6 months ago
2 comments
Don't blame President Obama for the mess the greedy Bushes help create!!!!!!!!!
themigrant
6 months ago
18 comments
Why Buster do companies need to pay tax on income?
Why do PEOPLE need to pay tax on income? Because that's the way we've done it for nearly 100 years.
If this country is to move beyond its current problems several considerations need to be taken.
One, we are moving towards a total service economy, with very little production of hard goods. The median income in this country is around $48,000.00 USD, which doesn't get a lot of buying power, and/or earning power to save and spend after expenses.
What we need to do as a country is to get away from production taxes and towards consumption taxes. This is an easier and more fair tax than front-loading companies and people with taxes on income. If you want a totally fair tax, base it on consumption not production.
It's really no wonder corporate america is leaving when they simply want to reduce cost, which income tax is a part of. For people, you can give the average citizen an INSTANT 20% boost in their income by getting rid of income tax. That 20% for the person = money to save and spend. Where? In the economy! It also reduces overhead for companies, who can now translate the elimination of payroll taxes into an instant additional amount of money freed up for other things.