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Analyst On Vista Hate: Get Over It Or Get Off The Boat

Analyst On Vista Hate: Get Over It Or Get Off The Boat

Jason Mick / DailyTech

May 19, 2008

‘One writer/analyst is speaking out blasting XP “holdouts” and lauding Windows Vista while comparing XP to a crummy airport terminal.’ -

Don’t like Windows Vista? Love Windows XP? Well columnist/pundit Rob Pegoraro with Fast Forward, carried by The Washington Post, doesn’t like your attitude. Having heard a wealth of criticism for Vista and praise for XP, Pegoraro said enough is enough in an impassioned article detailing his stances on the XP vs. Vista debate.

There have been many recent reports of both consumers and <a href=“http://www.dailytech.com/Companies+Adopt+Just+Say+No+Policy+On+Vista+Wait+For+Windows+7/article11778.htm” title="Companies Adopt “Just Say No” Policy On Vista, Wait For Windows 7 “>particularly businesses rejecting Vista and waiting for Windows 7 to upgrade. Despite Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates ”http://www.dailytech.com/Gates+Vista+is+Moving+at+a+Rapid+Sales+Rate/article11732.htm" title="Gates: Vista is Moving at a “Rapid Sales Rate” ">bragging of “strong sales” in the consumer sector, OEMs are pushing hard for Microsoft to extend Windows XP’s life. If they can’t convince Microsoft, they’re going to offer it anyway, even if not officially sold by Microsoft anymore, via certain loopholes such as downgrade privileges.

Downgrades? Rubbish, says Pegoraro. Pegoraro, a strong Vista supporter, states, “By the strictest definition, Windows XP has been dead since January 30, 2007 – the day its replacement, Windows Vista, arrived in stores and XP promptly vanished from most new computers.”

Pegoraro doesn’t think that Vista is a bad product. He points out that Vista does have its issues, “steep hardware requirements, its strict anti-piracy measures, its sometimes-intrusive security measures, its incompatibility with some older products”, and acknowledges that these factors have driven strong XP sales. He mentions that in Q1 2008, XP sold 87 million copies worldwide, according to IDC analyst Al Gillen, while Vista sold 132 million copies worldwide.

Pegoraro also pointed to the slipping of the Microsoft end-of-life deadline for XP from January to June, under manufacturer pressure. And Pegoraro brings up the wealth of online “Save Windows XP” petitions, lead by a massive one hosted by the tech magazine InfoWorld.

He points out that XP was not exactly beloved by all when it was Microsoft’s flagship product, and he accuses the public of changing its tune when presented with Vista. While running XP on existing systems is logical, he argues that on new home computers it is ridiculous not to run Windows Vista. He states, “It’s another thing to say that on a new home computer, Vista is so unacceptable for mainstream use that you’d be better off with its predecessor.”

Security is one major flaw in Windows XP, which is blasted by Pegoraro. He points out that even with three service packs and other smaller updates regularly released, Windows XP still needs to multiple security programs to safely connect to the internet.

With a bit of sarcasm, Pegoraro comments, "XP is not something that needs to be “saved,” as if it were some architectural triumph in need of historic preservation. It’s not an Old Post Office or a Union Station; it’s more like that crummy midfield terminal at Dulles International Airport, a once-serviceable structure that outlived its utility years ago."

Most things that are wrong with Vista are also wrong with XP, he argues. Again, not shying away from controversy he comments, “And that, in turn, helps explain why Apple is selling so many Macs.”

Vista is easier to use without configuration he argues, which in the end is another mark in its favor. He argues that most problems with Vista were fixed with its first service pack and third parties are jumping on board. As an aside he blasts those third-parties that haven’t jumped aboard saying, “If they haven’t, they probably never will. Presumably, those dead-enders are uninterested in any new sales to the customers they’ve ditched in this way.”

Is Pegoraro a fan of XP on small computers like the ASUS Eee PC? Not so; while he says he can see the appeal, he argues Linux or other operating systems are much better for the purpose. He states, “But the builders of these little laptops don’t have to choose between obsolete or sluggish Microsoft software. Faced with those unappealing options, many of them are instead loading the more efficient, free and open-source Linux operating system, which happens to perform many everyday tasks just as well as Windows does.”

Finishing on a controversial note, Pegoraro adds, “If you’re unhappy about Vista, don’t get sucked in by the misguided nostalgia for XP. Root for the success of non-Windows computers. Or buy one yourself. Nothing attracts a company’s attention like taking your business elsewhere.”

© 2008, DailyTech


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    PureEvil

    about 1 year ago

    196 comments

    Lucky for you Steve2020 that you havent had a problem becuase sure is hell i have and its not uac i can turn that off and problem solved it is just software compatibilaty and hardware and customer who complain about and that have the hardware for it. for me if vista was just stable it would have been awesome but the masses speak, vista sucks.hopefully the os will be stable so i can move from xp although and also linux is awesome.

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    Steve2020

    about 1 year ago

    2 comments

    I've had Vista for over 7 months now... I won't go back to XP for anything. There have been NO issues for me with Vista at all. I really don't understand all the whining and complaining. Turn off the features that annoy you, be happy.

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    czar

    about 1 year ago

    252 comments

    I sold my VISTA notebook and went out and got another XP Notebook. See I got off the potty..
    I know of full companies that still feel "stuck" with vista with productivity at an all time low. This writer is an Idiot, He needs to head out to the real world.

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    teknicklyprofishint

    about 1 year ago

    26 comments

    When it comes to anything in America, it is about what the people want and what the people need. The many problems that Vista has is the reason the product receives it criticisms. It took long enough to wait for Vista. I would think it would be the best thing out there because of the length of time it took to present it after it was formally introduced to the public. Sadly, it simply isn't up to snuff. While Microsoft has made trends in the past, people are more savy than they used to be and they know what they want and what to expect. Now, it's time for Microsoft to get ahead of the game.

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    HondaHater

    about 1 year ago

    10 comments

    The Army division I work for rejected Vista because it had 3 times as many security holes as XP.

    Vista does not support the variety of games that XP does. Pegoraro is an idiot, just because something is newer, doesn't make it better, he fell into the same trap that a lot of people did, and ran out and bought Vista the moment it hit the shelves thinking, "I MUST have this on my computer if I want to stay ahead of the technology curve!" The same thing happens in the world of cars, a 2009 such n' such isn't always better than the 2008 model. Sometimes it's worse. It's idiots like Pegoraro that keep America's fragile, consumer-based economy running. Rush out and buy the latest thing without thinking it through.

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    vin1882

    about 1 year ago

    30 comments

    I voted the article down. Not because I think the article is bad, but because Pegoraro comments are not sensible or thought out.

    Assuming that Vista is the next step in regards to an O/S, it doesn't mean that it is a progression. The next step isn't necessarily forward.

    For the average home owner who is not as computer savvy as the people on these boards (generally), they are going to be bombarded with questions, and unable to deal with their problems. Vista is buggy, requires too much hardware support, and doesn't add true functionality as opposed to pomp and circumstances.

    1) Even though XP was buggy, when it first came out, it eventually was purchased because it was fixed. Once Vista solves its bugs and becomes a better product, then sales should increase.

    2) The average consumer doesn't really need nor care about the hardware that Vista requires. At home I run 1 gig of ram on my XP box, and that's enough to surf the web, type for school, listen to music, and download. 2 gigs would leave me perfect. However, if I did that with Vista, I'd not be able to do all of what I want. Ergo, it's more trouble than it's worth.

    3) Vista looks pretty. How does that help me compose a report? How does that help me network? How does that help me multitask? It doesn't.

    XP and Mac sales are on the rise because Vista is a shoddy product. It's nothing to do with nostalgia. It's about quality.

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    cscottiej

    about 1 year ago

    26 comments

    I certainly don't like the majority of the article, alas, the last three paragraphs bear much to consider.

    1) The statement regarding third-party add-on developers of Vista as "those dead-enders are uninterested in any new sales to the customers they’ve ditched in this way", only tells me that Pegoraro buys into the well-grounded mindset that marketing and sales are the end-all of software and/or hardware usage. Does he have Microsoft stock?

    2) Open Source has quite the variety of flavors for most anyone to enjoy the ease and stability of an operating system AND applications, on most any computing device. And to say Linux "happens to perform many everyday tasks just as well as Windows does"...well, let's be careful of the measuring stick we use. Something more concrete and standard would be more approriate, I think.

    3) XP is more than nostalgic. It is steady, and time-proven. Sure, it's flawed, as any man-made computing device or software will be. This also can be said of the newbie, Vista. Its new. But, why do nearly all, and I'm giving considerable leeway to Microsoft and its fans here, Windows versions become released with a plethora of problems, shortcomings and security breaches seemingly built in?

    This is just my opinion and I could be wrong.

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    swalczy

    about 1 year ago

    2 comments

    Vista Sucks! After being in the IT Field, Certified by Novell & Microsoft, Work with Linux and other operating systems, there are alternatives. MS is forcing its product on the public without options by having it pre-installed on newly sold PC's and Laptop's. Sadly, Once you're stuck with it, you're Printers, etc... need to be "upgraded" because Vista has NO CLUE. My XP workstations work well on my 2003 Servers without many issues. MS would make money to rename Vista with all their upgrades and have it understand or recognize older equipment to allow an end user to work with them by choice rather than force.

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    hullj

    about 1 year ago

    2 comments

    I run xp with symantec av 10.1. I haven't re-installed my OS in over 4 years and have had no security related issues AT ALL. I'll be honest here, i spend time at some pretty sketchy porn/file sharing sites and never had an issue with spyware or viruses. If I do click on a shady link, symantec picks it up in seconds. The idea that anyone would recommend an XP user to upgrade is proposterous. I have to support Vista at work and you won't belive how annoying it is that they changed the name and location of every setting, option and menu. They completely break the win API code of File, Edit, View Help etc. by hiding them away. It's truly a child's OS. Why would you want to require your users to completely re-learn everything that has made windows great? It's all about the ease at which you can do something. Now with vista, it's like they're trying to give us a mac OS where all the toys and tools are hidden from the kids so you can't get into trouble. I think when you start vista, it should ask you one simple question "Do you know what you want to do today?" Click yes, and you're instantly taken back to XP.

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    ARKANSASIS

    about 1 year ago

    14 comments

    I released dell from their partnership with my company due to the inadaquate support, poor customer service, used parts, and other issues with their service. They have been on a down-path since Mr. Dell hired the CiO away from Wal-Mart sevearl years ago. HP in addition is now in a down-spiral. The bottom line is exactly what Jeff said, its one man's opinion. Unlike mine, which is not my opinion, rather experience I have recieved as CIO of this company. The fact is if you want to switch, do so, if you dont learn the technology well enough to support your systems. Intresting thing, I've used Vista since the Alpha State, I have Mac's Linux, even and Advanced 36 adn OS/2 System in play right now. Reguardless of the OS, it is only as good as the equipment you put it on, and the person who is punching the buttons. Computers Never make mistakes, only people do when they tell them what to do. Errors are caused by Inadaquate sytsems, people being to cheap to buy up-to-date equipment, but wanting the advances. You dont want new tech stick with a 1957 chevy, but dont complain when you get 10 miles to the gallon~! Dont buy a Hybrid and complain because it doesn't have the horsepower of a 1957 Chevy. A computer is a tool, you buy one for your own needs, to fit you. All OS's are mostly equal, all will do the same thing, if installed and configured correctly on the correct equipmnet.

    -stepping off soapbox now, and going back to designing a network.

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    ARKANSASIS

    about 1 year ago

    14 comments

    Obtrunco – Try Freespire, all the support none of the cost. If you want an easy Debian build try Ubuntu but be aware that other linux, windows and other OS’s will not recognize debian as easily so store any info on a Fat 12 drive or use an external USB HD preformatted to save yourself grief.
    “Just buy a Mac and all of these conversations will be moot” - Until it breaks and you need to have it fixed for $250/hr by one of the few people who support Macs. Actually, I don’t mean to be too down on Macs, I own 5; it is good for what it is intended to do. Not for doing number crunching, writing letters, doing spreadsheets, or gaming, or any other common task outside graphics, which by the way is now dominated by Linux Red Hat. Quark is cumbersome, and the other applications are a pain in the...Well you know. The fundamental difference is Linux and Mac OS’s use the second fork of the datagram to store fronts, memory or other information. This is not true of all Linux distro’s, and not true of Leopard, which emulates this in VM now. Oh, and FYI, I wouldn’t trust anyone who charges much less than 150/hr for Mac support, they are most likely hacks.

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    ARKANSASIS

    about 1 year ago

    14 comments

    Supabean, how old is your equipment? The answer is build your own, you state you’re a tech enthusiast right? So build one! I can build a vista system with 2 gig of ram, and x2 core processor for under $200.00. I also suggest anyone who is in it for the love, should only have self-built systems. However both you and Sasha are incorrect. Vista is not a 9x system, 98 was, Vista is a 64 bit system, it had only 1 precursor XP64, and no successor it is the last of the 32/64 bit lines. 9x Systems ended with Millimum, XP is based on a NTFS platform, and as such, is legacy from the windows for workgroups 3.11 OS.
    As far as Sasha’s claim it’s a rip-off of Mac, no, Mac is a rip-off of BeOS and OS/2 Warp both, where Mac got its legacy. As for Mac OS X, it is not even a Mac OS any longer, it’s a Linux Kernel, with a “Shell” overlay for a Mac-like interface. Try installing it on a system which currently has OS 8 (the last real release of MAC) you will find that it will not install on that system, but it will install on a PC system. This is because up until that time they used proprietary processors, finding that they could switch to cheaper pc parts while duping the ignorant public into paying the same price, using the difference on an annoying marketing campaign and submitting a lesser quality product in the process ( see Jeff’s earlier post.)
    Edahl, thanks for the link, I’ll add it to our knowledge base!

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    ARKANSASIS

    about 1 year ago

    14 comments

    One last thing, Once an OS is no longer supported, and has been released from service and is decommissioned it enters the “Open Source” world, i.e., no it cannot be sold by a firsthand vendor, but the up-side is that it can be used without a license! The reason it cannot be sold is not that Microsoft will sue them, Microsoft has bigger fish to fry than a small company, you can purchase an open license on eBay, or better yet subscribe to Microsoft’s tech services (specifically for techs) and they will GIVE you open license versions to try. You can use these for your own personal use, (NOT RESELL) that is unethical, but will allow you to keep as many copies as you can. In addition you can purchase old license copies from EBay as mentioned before for next to nothing. There is always a choice, you just need to know where to look. Visit www.pricewatch.com and look for XP disks, you will be amazed! Since you work in IT, you can subscribe and use as needed! PS: the cost of the service from Microsoft also gets you Office, and all other software copies, for slightly more than the cost of Vista Business. Hopefully Im preaching to the choir with you, I figured I'ld respond to yours as well just to be fair :)

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    ARKANSASIS

    about 1 year ago

    14 comments

    • John, one last thing, Linux either does not protect enough or also overprotects (Ubuntu) , and if you use the same level of software on a Linux build, i.e. fatten it up to do what Windows can, you will require the same amount of processing power and ram. Unlike Linux, Vista does have a solid technology in ready boost. I’ll cover ready boost later. Destiny9, much like John said, you do have a choice, and in fact you have multiple choices. First, a company has a right to sell or not sell what it wants, as much as we would like to dictate this we can not. BeOS would still be around if I could, it is actually where the technology for Vista came from NOT MAC! (I’ll answer this later also) and was the most solid OS on the market well advanced of any other OS. The same is true for OS/2 from IBM, which is where BeOS got a lot of its ideas. Warp was the final release of the IBM OS, and back in 95 drove circles around its competition, but was beaten out by Windows which was more user friendly and had a greater market support. The fact is you will always have to choose to upgrade to the next technology, which is now doubling faster than every six months. This is the last incarnation of NTFS. The next OS will be based on a Unix like kernel, called Mini-NT, this is actually in production currently, and supports 80% of all factory shipped computers. This is the OS you boot to when your system crashes. If you have proper software, you can actually extract this, make a boot disk, and install it on a system. As for choice, Mac, Windows Vista, all 20,000 flavors of Unix and Linux, not to mention the open source “FreeDOS”, Free-Dos32, ReactOS (open source windows), and Visopsys. This doesn’t even begin to scratch the choices. ReactOS for example has a 32 and 64 bit version, Fat & NTFS version of windows, and behaves much like Linux. Visopsys is an open source “live” OS http://visopsys.org will allow you to download a copy of a live CD distro much like Linux.

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    ARKANSASIS

    about 1 year ago

    14 comments

    Wow, I really don’t know where to start, there is so much poor information that it is amazing ! First I should establish my creditability, for at this point any comment would simply be an insult to injury without backing of credentials. I am owner and CIO of Arkansas IS, a licensed master engineer, and fluent in all computer OS platforms, languages, and technologies to include mainframe technology, and CSI technologies. I perform forensic evaluations for police departments, courts and other individuals as per request. I am a member of IEEE computer engineering, Certified /Licensed with Oklahoma to perform restrictive and invasive technology surveillance as a master engineer.
    Now that the creditability issue has been dealt with let’s start with the first post: Esketchm, aka John, you are obviously a advanced user, and technician. However, your information is basically correct, however your assumption is incorrect. The normal user has issues using a scanner, cannot identify the parts of a computer. I agree Linux as a OS can be a stable system, but in supporting it in the home user world, it is not something that the every-day user can just download. I suggest they pay the $30-$100 dollars for a pre-configured unit. In addition there is a large learning curve and I doubt an individual who can’t tell their monitor from their chasse will be able to easily convert with a distro of that nature. Ubuntu, Freespire or Linspire are their best chances, but are twice as restrictive as Vista. In addition they have issues with many drivers, and are not licensed to play the codec of many of windows media formats. Sound cards and Video cards are also low on the support of these equipment. In principle you are correct, and I agree all things being equal it would be a better solution, however the learning curve is to high for most users. I have been down this path with my company and pulled out due to inability of the end-users to adapt. That being said, if you were a new end-user, starting out fresh (ie older people) it is a perfect solution.

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